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22degreehalo
canadianwheatpirates

so like, I’ve grumbled a bit in other places about how there’s a handful of transfem academics I follow who do great work in their fields and have cool stuff to say about transfem things, but who consistently fuck up their analysis of trans men. And I just don’t know how to handle it, emotionally, because I want to engage with their work (which is good!) but every time I see their dismissive asides about trans men or their passing-over of trans men’s issues I feel like I’m getting an electric shock.

I’m going to use names in this post, mostly because they’re not famous-famous and I can’t just imply who I’m talking about, with the exception of one because it isn’t citeable from written work and that’s slightly too personal for me to want to name her. Like I said, they do good work, I respect them, don’t fucking go and harass them off the back of this vent. I also don’t mean for this to imply that this is a ~conspiracy~ or ~in cahoots~, the only links are that they’re moderately prominent transfem academics who work on trans issues, some of whom know each other.

But like. How am I supposed to feel okay when the best article explaining the Bell v. Tavistock puberty blocker case I’ve yet found, by English Literature lecturer Grace Lavery, doesn’t mention trans men at all and makes no analysis of how the case is rooted in anti-transmasc fearmongering, only naming Abigail Shrier as someone who had previously written a hit piece about Lavery rather than as the author of a major anti-transmasc conversion therapy book?

How am I supposed to handle Jules Gill-Peterson throwing asides into her writing like “Black and brown trans women are in danger. White trans men are not.” when any look at the reported rates of violence and abuse against us would prove that untrue? How am I supposed to feel happy about her romantically aiming for “[T]he right to be invisible. The escape from the archive and escape from representation as something Black and brown trans women deserve. That we struggle for.” – when that same invisibility of trans men (including Black and brown trans men) is used to paint us as lazy whiners who have never done anything for the trans community?

(How am I supposed to be okay with Gill-Peterson romanticising invisibility when Julia Serano recently endorsed TME/TMA language on the basis that trans men are apparently romanticising hypervisibility?)

How am I supposed to feel about a trans woman academic who refuses to study trans men’s issues for personal reasons (fair), but then turns around and speculates about trans men’s place in alternative subcultures without asking us?

I just hate this. A lot. And it’s not like I can say anything about it, because I’m just some fucking nobody, and I’m a white trans man so I’m ~safe~ anyway and probably only upset because I don’t have ~real problems~.

22degreehalo

I really really hope this doesn’t come across as like attention-stealing or derailing because I promise this is meant in the full intent to bolster your argument and take part in your grievances

Which is to say. Yeah. Yeah. This is actually honestly exactly how I feel as an aroace person reading literally almost anything LGBTQIA+ related, too. :(

Gay people will write such incredibly soulful and nuanced discussions if the impact of compulsory heteronormativity on everything from sexual trauma to fashion, and then maybe at best will toss of something like ‘and maybe not being interested in sex could lead to similar problems.’ But mainly they just take it as given that aros and aces are only minorly inconvenienced by their 'oppression.’ People who are ace or aro are always expected to say that 'obviously,’ they have it pretty good compared to others. Actual statistucs showing sickening levels of abuse and sexual assault and all-around bad shit never get so much as a glance.

But that’s literally almost all if the literature. It’s impossible to ignore. I went to a book store that had a LGBT+ section for the first time recently, and it was a pretty big one, and I did not find even ONE that even BRIEFLY discussed ace or aros’ suffering. If we were mentioned at all, it was usually only as a token, like 'haha, look at all these wacky things people like to identify as these days? ☺’

And like. It DOES fucking suck. For aros and aces and trans men and enbies and whoever else gets that. Invisibility is suffocating. It’s gaslighting. It’s the parent who convinces you that you’re the abuser, actually, and controls everything you do and turns your own friends against you until you don’t even believe in your own experiences anymore.

And getting that from the people who are supposed to be safe - your own community? People who’ll look down on you and tell you you’re a terrible person for talking about yourself because you’re supposed to listen to the most marginalised voices, and your suffering isn’t nearly bad enough to qualify?

Yeah. It is like an electric shock. And then I tell myself I deserve it actually for being selfish and arrogant enough to believe that my feelings matter here at all.

gandalfsbignaturals
unavernales

uh so i never do this but maui is quite literally on fire and there isn't nearly enough care or consideration for. you know. Native Hawaiians who live here being displaced and the land (and cultural relevance) that's being eaten up by the fire. so if ya'll wanna help, here's some links:

maui food bank: https://mauifoodbank.org/

maui humane society: https://www.mauihumanesociety.org/

center for native hawaiian advancement: https://www.memberplanet.com/campaign/cnhamembers/kakoomaui

hawai'i red cross: https://www.redcross.org/local/hawaii/ways-to-donate.html

please reblog and spread the word if you can't donate.

twofingerswhiskey
literallyaflame

a person online: i hate it when adults act like childish little freaks in public, smh. you’re an adult, you should be able to order your own food without help. get over yourself. also, why are some people, like, waaaaaaay too into the stuff that they like? omg, and the people who CLEARLY can’t even have one (1) normal conversation without acting Weird??? it’s embarrassing, u guys are embarrassing, get help

the same person five seconds later: we gotta remember to love and support the autistic community u guys <3

literallyaflame

you know, in hindsight this reminds me of something

when i’m at work, people get mad at me for not hearing them the first few times. like, openly agitated. they’ll assume that i’m stupid, or rude, or careless. sometimes they will indirectly chastise me for ‘not paying attention.’ at which point i say “i’m sorry, i’m hard of hearing. you were on my right side and i’m severely deaf in that ear,” and they go “oh my god i’m so sorry i didn’t know.”

yeah. you didn’t, did you? the only available information you had about me was… that i didn’t hear you say something. the thing you hated enough to comment on was that i couldn’t hear you. you don’t get to backpedal once you find out that i have can’t-hear-well disease. i shouldn’t need to present a diagnosis to expect decency from you

if you attach negative characteristics to “didn’t hear what you said,” that will affect how you treat d/Deaf and hard of hearing people. if you attach negative characteristics like “weird and childish” to utterly harmless and well established autistic traits like “doesn’t make eye contact,” that will affect how you treat autistic people. it’s not rocket science

thelittlemermage
smokedsalmoniloveyou

I've said this before and I'll say it again: it's more important to know and understand fully why something is harmful than it is to drop everything deemed problematic. It's performative and does nothing. People wonder why nobody has critical thinking skills and this is part of it because no one knows how to simousltansly critique and consume media. You need to use discernment.

smokedsalmoniloveyou

This is ultimately why propaganda is going to work on you. Because you never learned how to think for yourself and the actual ideology behind things. You simply rely on group think and the bare minimum explanations to tell you what's good and bad.

bilbobagginsomebabez
gatheringbones

[“The poverty debate could do more to recognize the powerful effects of rejection on a person’s self-confidence and stamina. Applying for an apartment or job and being turned down ten, twenty, forty times—it can wear you out. Theories about neighborhood selection or joblessness often assume low-income people are more or less “rational actors” who recognize trade-offs and make clear choices. The reality is that many are “exhausted settlers” who accept poor housing in a disadvantaged neighborhood or a dead-end or illicit job after becoming depleted and disheartened from trying and trying and failing and failing. The shame of rejection not only can pressure people to accept undesirable circumstances today; it can also discourage them from striving for something better tomorrow.”]

matthew desmond, from evicted: poverty and profit in the american city, 2016

nothorses
nothorses

It is deeply, deeply beneficial to TERFs if the only characteristic of TERF ideology you will recognize as wrong, harmful, or problematic is "they hate trans women".

TERF ideology is an expansive network of extremely toxic ideas, and the more of them we accept and normalize, the easier it becomes for them to fly under the radar and recruit new TERFs. The closer they get to turning the tide against all trans people, trans women included.

Case in point: In 2014-2015, I fell headlong into radical feminism. I did not know it was called radical feminism at the time, but I also didn't know what was wrong with radical feminism in the first place. I didn't see a problem with it.

I was a year deep into this shit when people I had been following, listening to, and looking up to finally said they didn't think trans women were women. It was only then that I unfollowed those people, specifically; but I continued to follow other TERFs-who-didn't-say-they-were-TERFs. I continued ingesting and spreading their ideas- for years after.

If TERFs "only target trans women" and "only want trans women gone", if that's the one and only problem with their ideology and if that's the only way we'll define them, we will inevitably miss a vast majority of the quiet beliefs that support their much louder hatred of trans women.

As another example: the trans community stood relatively united when TERFs and conservatives targeted our right to use the correct restroom, citing the "dangers" of trans women sharing space with cis women. But when they began targeting Lost Little Girls and Confused Lesbians and trotting detransitioners out to raise a panic about trans men, virtually the only people speaking up about it were other transmascs. Now we see a rash of anti-trans healthcare bills being passed in the US, and they're hurting every single one of us.

When you refuse to call a TERF a TERF just because they didn't specifically say they hate trans women, when you refuse to think critically about a TERF belief just because it's not directly related to trans women, you are actively helping TERFs spread their influence and build credibility.

rickiflannel-deactivated2021081

what is some TERF ideology we should be on the look out for?

nothorses

This isn't comprehensive, but I'll do my best.

TERFs are, first and foremost, radical feminists. Radical feminism is essentially second-wave feminism without the intersectionality brought in by third-wave feminism. It believes that patriarchy is at fault for the oppression of women, but sees this in a very strict, binary way: women are the oppressed, and men are the oppressors.

TERFs use this to justify their specific brand of transphobia. This idea, among others, is essential in supporting that transphobia.

I'll try to outline some of those ideas, and some of the logical thruoughlines they use:

  1. Women are uniquely oppressed, and always in danger. Womanhood- or the experience of being a woman- is defined by oppression, misogyny, and Being In Danger.
  2. Women are particularly in danger in the presence of, and in relationships with, men. Spaces that exclude men are essential to preserving the safety of women.
  3. Socialization: men are raised to support patriarchy, while women are raised to be subjugated by it. Men have no motive to unlearn these lessons, so all men are inherently more corrupted by these lessons than women.
  4. Relationships with men are therefore inherently (more likely to be) abusive, and relationships with women are inherently safe(er).
  5. Sex, in particular, is more often exploitative than not. Only some kinds of sex are not exploitative. Many kinds of sex that we think are consensual, or that people say are consensual, are either rape or proto-rape.
  6. Exchanging money for sex is inherently rape/exploitation/non-consensual in some way.
  7. As women who deny men access to them, lesbians are The Most Oppressed and also The Most Endangered. They must be protected at all costs.
  8. Because so many women have been raped by men with penises, both men and penises are inherently traumatic to A Lot Of Women.
  9. Many lesbians will naturally have an aversion to relationships with trans women because of this. Trans women who argue against this "genital preference" are potential rapists trying to infiltrate lesbian spaces to hurt and take advantage of women.
  10. Men will always try to invade "women's spaces" to take advantage of women, endanger them, and strip away their resources both for personal gain/pleasure, and in service of upholding the patriarchy.
  11. If we allow men to say they are women, they will invade those spaces and hurt "real" women. Men who say they are women are dangerous, and must be excluded and punished.
  12. Men may try to obfuscate labels and terminology to "define women out of existence" or otherwise cause confusion, which they can manipulate to further their infiltration.
  13. Women are all miserable with their bodies, cursed with the pressure to reproduce and have sex with men.
  14. Women are all miserable with their genders, forced as they are to ensure the overwhelming and constant suffering that is patriarchy.
  15. Women will attempt to escape this misery and pressure by "becoming men". This is cowardly, but understandable; a tragic but inevitable result of patriarchy. These women must be saved.
  16. Some women who try to escape patriarchy are doing it out of self-interest; they are betraying women by becoming men, and contributing to their oppression. These women must be punished.
  17. Bio-essentialism: women are oppressed specifically because of their bodies and ability to reproduce. This is an inherent and defining part of womanhood. Nobody can claim womanhood without this experience, everyone who has had this experience is a woman.
  18. Women's bodies are all beautiful and perfect because they are women's bodies. If the womanliness of them is tampered with, they become less valuable. Men's bodies are gross and undesirable symbols of patriarchy.
  19. Testosterone makes people violent, aggressive, irrational, and angry. Estrogen makes people calm, kind, and happy.
  20. Men can never understand women's bodies as well as other women do.
  21. People can be attracted to other people on the basis of "sex" alone. This is inherent, immutable, and unquestionable.
  22. Men are sexual animals who inherently and unavoidably find lots of bad things sexually arousing. Because "youth" is attractive, many men find young girls and children attractive, and will try to take advantage of them. Misogynistic control/power over women, hurting women, and even rape are also inherently sexually appealing to men.
  23. "Gender" is meaningless; it's founded in misogynistic stereotypes about men and women, and when you remove the stereotypes, there's nothing left at all. Only binary "sex" is real, because that's what patriarchy (and biology) is based on.
  24. Manhood is itself a toxic, oppressive, inherently corrupting concept. Anyone who participates in manhood is corrupt and immoral; who would choose to be the oppressor?
  25. Masculinity is defined only by hating women, having power, and being aggressive, violent, and controlling (etc.)
  26. Patriarchy doesn't just target women, but femininity as a whole, for its association with women.
  27. Patriarchy doesn't just reward men, but masculinity, as it rejects femininity. People who reject femininity and embrace masculinity are rewarded by the patriarchy.

Some of these ideas are contradictory, but they lead to the same conclusions. Some of them lead to similar conclusions, many of which take very little further nudging to push into more dogmatic ideas.

This is exactly why we need to understand all of these paths into TERF ideology- and more.

In fact, the vast majority of the points on this list- particularly the beginnings of their logic- can be very easily swallowed while still holding that trans women are women, and trans men are men.

That's what TIRFs (trans-inclusive radical feminists) are, and they're still incredibly dangerous. TIRF ideology normalizes these points, making it far easier for TERFs to recruit; even if TIRFs themselves try to be aggressively anti-TERF.

Again, this isn't comprehensive, and it would take a long time and a lot of words to cover every flaw and danger in every line of reasoning here.

But remember how these things work; even if some of them begin with a grain of truth, even if some of them are true- especially if you define the words they contain differently- be wary of them.

nothorses

Bringing this back for a little refresher course on how these ideas all tie together, lead into each other, and form a pipeline. For no reason at all 🙃

nothorses
transmascissues

it’s wild how some people will be so ready to criticize cis gay men for saying misogynistic things about vaginas…until the topic of gay trans men comes up, and suddenly they switch to thinking it’s totally fine and natural and good for cis gay men to think vaginas are the ugliest grossest most repulsive things in the world. make up your mind, is it bad for them to think pussies are the boogeyman or not? (hint: it is bad, you’re just so caught up in your hatred of gay trans men that you can’t see the misogyny you’re excusing.)

politijohn
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Separation of Church and State has never been a reality. Tax churches.

khorneschosen

Oh my. Now thats a good way to start a revolt. You know what? You go right ahead, it will be terrible for both of us. Ill have to deal with an ascendent right collectivism and youll lose badly but it will reset the clock in a way of irrationalism.

politijohn

Babe, these right-wing lunatics are stripping our rights away. Revolt is long-overdue. And no, the bigots will not win. They’re quite outnumbered.